Am getting addicted to these docs each and every day
it must have been so scary for the pilots I cant even imagine. I flew many time on Ethiopian Airlines, and even once with the perished Captain. He was such a nice man. RIP
It’s a crime how good Frontline is in making documentaries
It is ALWAYS Money Over LIVES.. Boeing is NO Different than PG & E or ANY Other Company.. They would Rather Pay OFF Families than Fix the Problem BUT Here, they had no choice.. Still VERY SAD!!
Ex-Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg should be in a jail cell with pictures of all the victims on the walls.
What happened to the first documentary, “Boeing fatal flaw”? I assume boeing rang in at PBS and told them to shut it down
R.I.P,Families
They also initially blamed Lauda Air for a crash that turned out was 100% their fault.
I can’t wait for the full episode, I love Frontline documentaries… they are so relaxing and well done.
My heart. Peace be with these families.
RIP FOR ALL THE FAMILY TRAGEDY MADE GOD BE WITH U ALL 
The fact they tried to initially blame it on the pilots; who were fighting a plane for everyone’s life onboard
So sad. Take heart
May their souls RIP 🇰🇪
Why was the full length version pulled?
People at Boeing should probably be in jail for a few reasons for what they did. But knowing about or not knowing about MCAS still comes down to a runaway stab trim procedure. And this procedure is so important it is treated as a pilot memory item. No time to be reading it in a manual until disabled.
where is the full documentry?
I have not been on a Boeing aircraft since I saw the 60 Minutes Australia episode on the 737NG construction methods. I question whether or not Boeing will ever be able to make a trustworthy aircraft (or spacecraft) again.
Al Jazeera about 7 years back put out an investigative documentary about Boeing getting extravagantly careless. They interviewed many factory workers and quite a few said they wouldn’t be comfortable on a boeing plane. Seven years back! Boeing was a ticking bomb and seems like everyone knew.
So tragic. 
Can’t not wait for this video
Boeing is on the DJIA, it didnt need to cut corners in this short sighted way.
What amount of compensation did the Etopians or Indonesian dead and the dead from western nations, if any, receive? The same or different?
It is September 14th post the full video!
This is so sad.
I am sorry for all the people that lost their lives in both the Boeing flights. Rest In Peace! My condolences to the family.
“737max is safe to fly.” the SAME message then the SAME message NOW. GO AHEAD, trust me.
Capital over lives
This is also an example of what you get from weak regulation enforcement, like with the 2008 financial crash. The collateral damage of lobbying is literally death.
When is the full episode dropping?
The system is evil on civilian plane.but her can be angel on military defense. 
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Lives and Truth mean nothing to these scum when money is involved.
Biz Blaming Brown Folk.
That Boeing CEO sure has a punchable face…
The MCAS had failed on other flights and the flights continued. In one of the crashed planes, the same plane had a failure the day before the crash and a deadheading pilot instructed the crew what to do and they continued.
Ethiopian airlines will never fly that goddammit 737 again
When booking a flight, I alway check the plane model. Make sure none are 737 max
First it was the automobile industry and now it is the aeronautics industry in the United States. As the world becomes more and more aware of our defective products look for more foreign manufactured jets in the skies.
I read the report years ago and if I remember correctly the captain never even reduced take-off power in the flight. Full power and nose down you go fast. Plus it can two pilots in extreme conditions to move the trim wheel fast enough.
Couldn’t pay me enough to get on a plane.
Boeing is covering its A.s.
Cursed boing The killers Murderers
The Truth will set US free.
“Foreign pilots”. 
The “too big” Max engines were more fuel efficient but same peak power as engines on smaller Max engines.
What I hear the Boeing CEO saying is “Our wallets are sorry for this loss of life.” This looks to be a masterpiece of reporting. Thank you, it’s long overdue.
boeing ignorance
The people in the two crashes did not have to die, the Boeing is to be blamed for the short cuts it took to make this plane just so they can compete with Airbus, and installing a software to compensate for a major design flaw, it’s just criminal.
Boeing used to be a good company with quality products but they have bad quality control now and push their planes out the door to quickly.
Boing took their legacy and put it in the trash bin for a sales gimmick.
Trump let Boeing regulate itself. “Job killing regulations”
Put a different title on this if you are showing it as 5 hours old. These airplanes crashed in 2018 and and 2019.
Sad to loos all those people! But the pilot who is interviewed as an exper must have been paid tones of money. Just want to know how much bribe would lwt me do such things
Somewhere here on youtube is the full doc for why this happened, but another part of the issue is the aircraft was extremely unstable due to a last minute design change where they increased how high up on the wing the engines were mounted. Boeing put extremely expensive and unsafe aircraft in the air, as others have said bellow, in the name of money. Airbus created something they couldn’t compete with, so they cut corners. Boeing killed a lot of people.
They need scrap these planes and start over.
Can you guys stop with these my boeing stock doesn’t need this lol
Boeing’s fatal flaw has absolutely nothing to do with any technical or programming problems, and everything to do with the name Boeing and the way that they use numbers. Any Boeing plane still in use can be taken down with one piece of Greg ruled paper and a bic ballpoint pen. And you do not even need to write on the paper, it is literally that simple. When constructing a prison made out of signs, labels, and words, it is important to understand every implicates meaning and use of every word being used. Putting that label on these rape palace planes is one of the top ten dumbest ideas I have ever seen. They thought it was perfect for their flying orgies, they did not however understand all of the facets of ghat word when used in conjunction with the number 7. Fly safely, and keep it in your pants.
Boeing built a plane that intentionally crashed itself. The people responsible should be in prison.
Ethiopian Airlines has some of the best pilots in the world Boeing knows they killed those people
Ethiopian airlines showed the world Western hypocrisy
Boeing only cares about their shareholders.
Boeing must go bankrupt
Boeing took the biden approach to this crisis. They blamed everyone else except themselves.
It’s disgusting that Boeing did not test fly this plane enough to find this problem. They should lose their ability to manufacture any more planes.
Airlines problem not Plane Maker and their Pilots not having training… Blame them
It’s never hard to tell when these documentaries are made by people with no knowledge of flight procedures or terms. Especially when they keep showing interior shots of the 737NG. They completely ignore the fact that the flight crew did not reduce throttle and did not have both pilots working to get the trim wheel moving if one had trouble by himself. Third-world countries are notoriously bad with civil/commercial aviation oversight and airline training requirements. They can fly planes in good conditions, but in an emergency everything just falls apart. And that’s ignoring the fact that improper maintenance caused the sensor failures.
Boeing changed the center of gravity and made the 737Max unstable. Problem is new “energy efficient” engines too big to fit under wing like previous model. Simple fix othets have used is adding ballast, weight, to compensate for engine weight. But cheapass Boeing didn’t want to lose weight carrying capacity. But they didn’t want to make changes that FAA would require recertification (like making the landing gear longer, or different engines.)
They were bad pilots. Like giving an ant a formula one car, there will be a learning curve.
The only mistake was allowing 2 third world derelict pilots that thought they were fighter pilots. Radar and FDR proves the a/c were being handled in an unsafe manner to force the a/c into final approach.
This is old news. There’s nothing to be learned that hasn’t already been figured out. Blame has been acknowledged. Responsibility assigned and taken. Years of Federal investigations and changes have gone down. Enough said. Time to move on.
Rest in Peace But as a former airline pilot, those crashes would not have happened with a U.S., Japanese, or EU trained pilot. Boeing is smartly not releasing this info, but if sued in civil court, the following will be publicized: Yes, the MCAS failed…but the African pilots left the auto trim and auto throttles on. This is like hitting an ice patch whilst driving, yet leaving the cruise control on. Very, very poor training. RIP.
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What did Boeing know about the potential for disaster with its 737 Max airplane — and when did the company know it? FRONTLINE and The New York Times investigate the crashes that killed 346 people.
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“Boeing’s Fatal Flaw,” a FRONTLINE documentary in collaboration with The New York Times, tells the inside story of what led up to the crashes — revealing how intense market pressure and failed oversight contributed to tragic deaths and a catastrophic crisis for one of the world’s most iconic industrial names.
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The system wasn’t designed to save people lives, but to save money by avoiding the process of the plane re-certification.
When David Calhoun says “honestly” you know his next words are a lie, fabrication, or obfuscation.
“But what if that one single sensor fails, doesn’t everybody die?” BOEING: “…..you’re overthinking it. What’s for lunch?”
It might just be me, but I think people hiding pertinent information for airplanes that can result in death need to face murder charges
This is the American business mindset since the 1970s when Milton Friedman declared that business “has no social responsibility.” Since then, American quality of manufacturing and service has tanked as companies quashed labor unions and started the trend of making money by sacrificing quality of materials and workmanship — always with the excuse that it was necessary to remain competitive. But, no matter how underpaid or overworked employees are, no matter how many corners are cut, substandard materials employed, the “cost savings” never actually get passed along to the customers. Somehow, all that additional margin finds its way into the pockets of someone who orchestrated the “savings,” executives, and shareholders. A $2.5BN settlement on a $370BN sales run is nothing. Less than 5%? Because the US government is afraid of Boeing? Mark Forkner needs to be tarred and feathered for the frat-boy attitude he wore throughout the entire debacle. And Boeing execs need to be run out of Dodge. All of ‘em. The honor and reputation of America is in the hands of these and other global players who are, as we speak, engaged in the same kind of deceptive, manipulative BS that Boeing got caught doing. All because profit has become not only the most important factor of American business, but is very quickly becoming the ONLY one. Employees who qualify for government aid or insurance, or worse, those that don’t but just barely, contact employees, part-time, gig employees, and the intentional devaluation of American higher education all contribute to the massive profits of big business and the relentless growth of the American stock market. Yes, Boeing has a labor union. But none of the issues addressed in this film had anything to do with workmanship except as it may have been responsible in part for the over-cost and delays because Boeing is notoriously stingy with its workforce in terms of manpower and hours. I know a guy who’s worked at the Renton factory for almost 30 years and the way Boeing treats those guys is flat-out despicable. Like American Express and many other American behemoths, they lay off their workforce regularly to avoid expenses. During these layoffs (whose duration is unknown) employees take unemployment insurance because everyone in America knows that UI is sufficient to keep up your health insurance costs AND the mortgage, car payment, food, and expenses for the kids (not sure how much it is in Washington, but in AZ it’s $260 a week max). Meanwhile, Dennis Muilenburg still sits on a couple of boards and has an estimated net worth of $100 million. Not bad for a heartless, lying POS, huh? See, in keeping with the new American business mission statement, it’s all about setting yourself up at the expense of everyone who works for you, making obscene amounts of money that should be in the pockets of the men and women who actually build those aircraft. Clearly, the guys in charge of design and production, the “leadership” Boeing cited as having failed, isn’t interested in anything else. If a cartel leader killed 300+ people and took enormous amounts of money doing it, he’d land in prison and face civil forfeiture. But a CEO? He “retires” at 56 with a fortune and nothing but time to spend it. Something is wrong with this picture.
The “safety” or their stock price was Boeing’s top priority clearly. And Mark Forkner should be in prison.
Will Lyman the absolute best voice over artist of all time.
People are not people they are mere collateral when corporations are left to cut corners with no real government protections.
To this day, I understand how we allowed Boeing to get away with this. I know they got some traction on the news but now they are going about business as usual, still getting major contracts, etc.
Boeing is a representative of American service culture in general which is very lacking.
And lest we forget the issues with the Boeing Starliner’s software…
And right to the very end, after the new CEO blames the former CEO, he blames….yes….the pilots. And we all know what he would have said had the Times granted his request that it be off the record.
The fact that Boeing is an American company, who are the “moral police of the world”, baffles me…..😢😢
As a teacher you learn the average student can’t be trusted to correct their own work. The same applies to financial reporting, pharmaceuticals and engineering. Regulatory capture is one heck of a thing.
Watch the documentary “The Corporation”. This is not at all surprising to me. Corporations always put their profits before safety and people. I hope many more people watch this. Thanks.
The CEO: “Safety is Boeing’s number 1 priority…” Me: Your company is very good at manufacturing BS than airplanes.
If Boeing believes that foreign pilots aren’t skilled, experienced or just good enough to fly their planes…. They should keep their planes out of countries outside the USA!!!!
Other huge companies do the same thing and aren’t held accountable and blame it on the mechanics themselves.
The fact that we get free documentaries on YouTube by FRONTLINE PBS is truly a gift 👍
Profits over people, as always. And playing the blame game. Those pilots didn’t kill themselves and all those on the flights, Boeing did it.
So, Boeing and the FAA, the ones whom created these disasters, were tasked with fixing the issue? The fox is still garding the henhouse? If we couldn’t trust them to do their job correctly the first time why is anyone trusting them now?
The punishment to the highly compensated and responsible executives of Boeing Is to put them in the max and nose dive them from 5000ft high.
They should have put all the executives involved on a Max plane with a faulty angle of attack sensor — and let them experience how “easy” it is to correct.
I feel so sad for the Ethiopian pilots. They did everything right and Boeing tried to blame them for a problem caused by Boeing.
“Investigate deletion of MCAS nomenclature.” By the far the most damning, craven aspect of this whole documentary. They are essentially saying, “Let’s just stop talking about it or informing people, maybe?” 🤷♀️ The quintessence of corporate immorality.
Boeing pays off Republicans to get weak regulatory oversight.
To blame the pilots are despicable. Their own emails and memos show they knew there was a problem but didn’t want to spend the time and money it would take to fix it.
American ego- all foreign airlines, especially third world should forever boycott Boeing or make it their last choice purchase. As a matter of fact, the new CEOs comment should be deemed as racist.
This goes beyond 737 MAX. Other models are rushed out the door too.
They compensated the airlines more than the victim’s families?…
I wouldn’t fly in that machine even if I was paid. The need to make profits over human life is very heartbreaking.
‘Fox, meet hen-house.’ The interests of Boeing were highly influential in the FAA, whatever is said to the contrary. This wasn’t about bathroom size or paint. The design/operation changes in the engine and stabilizer, and the agreed decision not to train the pilots in the new MCAS software, were made to keep costs down and profits up. Tragically, these decisions cost lives.
Proverbs 28.20 “the one hastening to get rich will not remain innocent”
That reporter definitely doesn’t understand what “shooting from the hip” means.
This guy Huerta and his perspective should never ever be appointed to any agency.. Screw “trust” Huerta… The ability for an airline manufacturer to make sure it is complying with the regulations is separate from the FAA doing its job of overseeing and certifying (or not) that the corporation is in compliance. The corp has its independance… Thats not the same as checking their work after…
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Still laying blame everybody but Boeing . I’d sue Boeing, FAA, NTSB, etc.
Watch Boeing stock take a dive tomorrow. Why would anyone want to fly on one of these planes, after this level of deception? Criminal behavior.
Absolute unnecessary tragedy. With the billions Boeing is making in military contracts, they decide to cut corners and gamble on peoples lives all in the name or profits. Disgraceful.
I’m frequent Flyer and these kind of Docs really gives me Scary Chills
Capitalism at its best… BOEING… those plane should be removed from the fleets of every companies.
By installing the new fuel-efficient engines that were much larger in size , they had to mount them forward and up, essentially putting the fat kid on the teeter-totter. Now with the fat kid on the teeter-totter they basically use the mcas system to balance the load ( instead of using an aerospace engineer to fix a problem, they used a software engineer).
Everything with airlines safety is ‘ tombstone technology’… They change or fix things only after many innocent folks have died.
When trying to cut costs, you often end up cutting lives in the process.
Its even scarier how many politicians are the same or worse than the boeing higher ups. Their oaths mean nothing and have no consequences when broken. This all needs to change.
This is why some have taken the decision to avoid all Boeing planes.
So often, around the world, where regulators and business get too close, disasters happen and the public always ends up paying the price
This is gonna be good,.,. there were too many (disastrous) “coincidences.”
Airplanes to me is mankind’s greatest invention.The engineering behind it is just unimaginable of how something this big not only can fly but can stay at altitudes of 30 plus thousands feet. I will fire that entire board of staff, Boeing legacy and 346 people died because of greed.
This hysteria on promoting fly by wire is the cause of it all. For every plane built a manual option has to be in place not fully computerized. How can a software just overrule a pilot. Btw I have a feeling Tesla will be next !
They may need a large and obvious “Basic Flight” switch that turns off all the nanny software as a backup safety protocol so that the crew can take back complete control of all plane’s flight control surfaces.
Was literally in the air on a 737 Max when the second one happens. Also completely freaked from flying. But line of work doesn’t allow many options.
“Hey guys buy this, its broken but here’s how you can manage the problems”… yeah, that only works with multi billion dollar corporations. Especially when it’s not rich white people dying. 👌👍
The problem started the moment Boeing marketing decided to make a business out of cutting down training for pilots 🤬🤬
This is what happens when the regulators (FAA) are in bed with the regulated (Boeing). A failure of both government and private corporations.
The philosophy of the rich and the poor is this: “the rich invest their money and spend what is left. The poor spend their money and invest what is left”.
18:11 Doug Pasternak Bless his heart. I wish that these experts were aspiring comics. Their comments would have so much more impact.
Doesn’t change issue but Airbus has had many similar design flaws that have killed people. One that comes to mind is the AirFrance jet leaving Africa crashed into the ocean when the pitot tube iced and the pilots were not trained for the known flaw
Boeing has been a failing aerospace company since the 90’s. They have lost virtually every military competition since the B-52.
Anyone remember the first Boeing “star liner “ launch? Seems Boeing shouldn’t do its own software development.
Regulatory capture is how the u.s. economy operates….honestly were just sitting ducks for another scandal like this to occur in another sector
And Boeing still keeps trying to get the 737-MAX passed through to production.
its a poor design and should never have been approved by anyone with a conscience this cost cutting measure by Boeing caused the loss of many lives
Hogwash. Too many “pilots” not actually piloting. This is simply “evil corporation” theatre.
Boeing took a calculated risk: it was cheaper for them to kill all those people so they can get their name back in the spotlight, and then say “look — we fixed it, so just buy it”.
Does anyone know why they don’t have a device surrounding the FDR or CvR that if and when it is submerged in water, it inflates and floats?
I’m retired Boeing, and although I expected a crash or accident on another model, I was not surprised by this. Luckily I was already retired and had gotten rid of my stock. It’s really a shame, it was a top company to be a part of at one time.
This is the result of greed. The people in charge at Boeing should have spent the rest of their life in a cage, They don’t give a shit about other peoples lives just how much money they can make. It’s sick how people will risk your life to make them richer.
Airplane crashes, finanancial crashes, and corporate malfeasance. Has regulatory capture changed at all in this country? Yes. It’s far worse than it’s ever been. That’s the story that needs to be told.
The fact that Boeing refuses interviews to this day is really all you need to know. They outsourced everything, cut costs to the bone, and it completely wrecked their company. In case folks aren’t paying attention to how things are going, last year they tried to fly to the ISS…but got lost on the way. This year, they couldn’t even get the same vehicle off the ground. The 787 was a disaster of unprecedented proportions. Of course, nevermind that, the execs are all paying themselves record bonuses. Contractual loopholes make sure the company still gets paid in a lot of cases, especially when it’s coming from taxpayers. The whole thing is a scam and IDK why people still take boeing seriously lmao…
They compensated the airlines more than the victim’s families?…
Saving a million per plane when you have 370 billion in orders makes 0 sense, how does anyone keep their job after this decision?
Oh oh oh! I know what Boing’s fatal flaw is. Their planes keep falling out of the sky and causing fatalities.
Why in the World did that Reporter Jack Nica’s give up his Source like that? Unless, The Source said it was okay; too reveal, their name that was sloppy for a New York Time’s journalist’s.
Boeing knew so well what ‘the problem’ was that they had trained pilots and copilots across the world, how to ‘outmaneuver’ (by taking manual control of the aircraft), the nosedive that their software threw the plane into during every takeoff. Ironically, Ralph Nader’s niece died on the Africa flight, see Democracy Now’s archives for an amazing conversation). MCAS is a problem? Delete MCAS nomenclature.
Important to note that the delegation system at the faa is still in place. Safety continues to be sacrificed for profit. Why? Because bowing wasn’t fined out of existence.
If the reason for delegation was the FAA’s inability to distinguish between critical and non-critical systems why couldn’t the FAA retain certification authority but allow Boeing to make a case for dropping certification requirements on systems they could prove were not critical? I’m continually amazed at the poor judgment of people in positions of authority.
Great content, overall. However, the sassy NYT reporter was annoying, and completely unable to hide her emotional biases. The tragic story deserved to be told with utmost journalistic professionalism and sobriety. Her emotional presentation distracted from otherwise solid reporting.
How to take one of the world’s greatest brands and ruin it. There’s no way I’d fly on a Boeing product.
May God have mercy on the souls of all of those who knowingly contributed to the loss of lives in this fiasco.
The CEO, test pilot and engineers not being in prison is unexcusable.
Why didn’t that Mark Forkner correct the record with the FAA about the expanded capabilities of MCAS? Seems like he should be held liable for that because he failed to do so.
It all boils down to greed and accountability, it’s really that simple.
And then there’s the McBoeing Starliner, which had software flaws that didn’t know the mission time or another regulating valve functions. The program is seriously delayed and is costing taxpayers billions in $ more than SpaceX. That there have no deaths is simply because no crewed launch has been approved as of 9/2021.
It is a huge mistake, i just feel for those passengers. You cannot leave a system like that working because you just open the door to Murphy.
This is the point people in the future are going to look back to as ONE of MANY signs our country failed. French Revolution 2 – The American Boogaloo.
My COMMENTS RE THIS DOC ARE SOMEWHAT PETTY. Nonetheless, I persist: Very awkward camera work on the interviews. People talking to the edge of the picture seems pointless, and people looking directly at the viewer I suppose is meant to set up some kind of a bond between us and them, but….comes across as just a weird affectation of the director/cinematographer’s. That’s my 2 cents (about all it’s worth)! OTHERWISE….well done!
Boeing quit being run by engineers, but started being ran by MBA’s. Building the best product was no longer the goal, raising the stock price was. Through deregulation and allowing a lot of CEO’s pay be stock options, we have made this the only goal for most companies. Lastly, no lobby employee should be allowed to work in a regulation authority. Having that job makes you inheritably biased.
The people at charge at Boeing need to be in prison, serving lengthy sentences. The fact they knew about a fatal flaw yet continued flying those planes also having the nerve to place the blame on dead pilots. Evil is too kind a word for these people.
If Frontline ever loses this VO artist they’re in trouble 😂 nothing short of iconic
Fact. As boing has many vendors for all types of things. The rogue MCAS software happens to come from India.
2.5 billion dollars. How many Boeing Executives were charged with murder?
What have we learned? Capitalism kills. (And if you have a problem with this statement, I submit my proof: the US medical care system.)
Yep, poor sociopaths end up dead or in prison and the rich ones end up becoming CEOs with a nice little private island in the Caribbean.
I see really scary parallels to tech start up culture with this documentary..
To add insult to injury, the attorney who handled the class action lawsuit for the families of all who died in these airplane crashes was none other than Tom Girardi. Girardi embezzled all of the money won in the lawsuit which was meant to go to the families.
When the C-suite types start overruling the engineers it often ends up badly. This is a textbook example. Hopefully a case taught in both engineering and b-school classes.
TL,DW: Grift and corporate corruption, greed caused it all.
Boeing wasn’t wrong that lack of training caused the MCAS-related accidents. The problem is that they are the ones who prevented the pilots from getting the training they needed to identify and avoid the erroneous operation of the MCAS.
If FAA officials decide a system may compromise safety, the new rules dictate that they will need to conduct an investigation or an inspection to make their case before taking back control. If the officials raise concerns, ask for changes or otherwise miss certification deadlines, any disputes are automatically elevated by law to managers at the agency and the company.
My stepson is a commercial airline pilot and instructor. He told me he knew the the 737 Max MCAS system at Boeing was inadequate for the 737 MAX.
I’ve got thousands of hours in propeller and jet aircraft as an army paratrooper and have only two flights in a civilian aircraft since I left the military. I will never again board a plane without a parachute. The civilian airlines maintenance is a joke and the logbooks have never been correct.
The fastest way to kill yourself in an airplane, is to have a stabilizer malfunction. Boeing: Hey, let’s put this new system and engine on this unbalanced airplane. Then use the software to fix the problem through the stabilizers. Seems legit…
Think of how many people daily are flying. Think about their lives, and the lives of the pilots. SAFETY FIRST IN AVIATION.
14:42 “Quickly. Cheap-ly (that isn’t even a word) and UNSAFE-LY (also not a word, but as a corporate model, MORTAL)
Obviously this is pure greed out weighing the importance of peoples lives. Some people should have gone to prison for this injustice. Im so sorry for the those who were killed and their families. May you all have peace. I fear similar things could happen to people with these rushed to market mandated drugs.
THANK YOU FRONTLINE HOPEFULLY IF/WHEN GHESEIL MAXWELL TRIAL GETS GOING YOU WILL INCLUDE ALL THE OTHER “SUSPECTS” BESIDES AMERICANS AND A BRITISH ROYAL. VERY SAD HOW WORLD STILL WORKS IN A “NIXON” MINDSET.
By the name of ‘reputation’ they always cover up the real mistakes
Nadia Milleron’s daughter was Samya Stumo. Samya’s great uncle is Ralph Nader.
Great documentary, but you missed an important beat. The pilot who flew the simulated crash flight reported that the MCAS was turned back on because the manual controls were simply impossible to move. The reasons for that are partly a matter of physics, that is, the weight of air on the control surfaces was great and increasing the more the plane dived towards the ground. This means that the manual system was never going to work in a crisis situation, and it would only ever need to be activated in a crisis situation. Engineers at Boeing must have known that this would likely be the case, and I would be willing to bet that Pasternak has documentation on it. So it would have been a good idea to include a bit of discussion of the physics of flight as part of the discussion in order that the viewer could more easily understand just why the manual backup was most likely never going to work. One other beat that could have stood a bit more discussion, is the sort of racist assumption that pilots in the third world are somehow inferior to US pilots. At that point in the movie, you might have brought back the pilot who flew the simulator to emphasize that the pilots were professional and did everything that they were supposed to do.
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29:28 Baby I’ll tell you one thing: if I had the choice between putting my life in the hands of a human pilot, or a computer, I would choose the PILOT any day of the week!
Same old story: Profit before peoples lives. Profits at all cost, any costs without being responsible of the consequences. An investigation into the ‘Fukushima’ disaster runs along similar lines. Greed feeds corruption.
As a retired airline pilot with 27,000 hours on various Boeing’s including the B737 I would like to believe that put in the same scenario when I first noticed a major and irrational movement of the Stabiliser Trim I would have immediately de powered the electric Stab Trim and manually re trimmed prior to entering a high speed condition, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. This aside for Boeing to put a new system on a jet that has the ability to aggressively manipulate the flight controls and is predicated on a single sensor whilst not informing either the pilots or the airlines who operated them is in my view a criminal act and has damaged my view of Boeing irreparably.
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Owning the biggest 737 max fleet in the world, China found the same issue occurred twice and luckily the pilots had successfully solved it in the air. That is why China aviation administration immediately grounded the 737 max after the second crash happened.
Hindus outsourcing that’d the flaw firing AMERICANS replacing them with Hindus
The world needs Board-level, corporate ethics over the C-Suite. Mark Forkner, an Academy graduate, led the unethical / immoral corporate behavior. Our government, the ‘starved beast’, delegates to corporations desperately clawing for profits. Remember ‘Unsafe at Any Speed’ and the O-Ring culture of the space shuttle Challenger? People were betrayed again!
Perfect example of why we need to stop trying to make things to high tech in my opinion!!! We have been doing just fine with the commercial planes that we have been flying for decades all over the world!!! And I feel the same with vehicles,that’s why a damn pickup truck runs damn near to $50,000 grand!!! Its ridiculous of the technology we have put into automobiles,again why did we start to need these ridiculous amounts of technology into vehicles!!!!????
Boeing too busy watching stock prices to bother innovating or engineering, then they suddenly play catchup and several hundred people have to die for the privelege
Boeing has dropped the ball, denied, stalled, tried to cover up its design, engineering, and management failure. Its MCAS1.0 is nothing short of a negligence at all levels. All that because of the basic limitation of the 737: short landing gear that they cannot seem to increase in length. One thing is for sure, Boeing sucks at software design, development, and testing. Its Starliner software is another emblematic failures. Boeing is not taking software seriously enough and put investor concerns over passenger safety no matter what they say.
Boeing won’t accept responsibility for the crashes because their stock will go down. SMH
MCAS= May Crash Any Second. Also MCAS sounds almost similar with the word mecascas which the Amharic (Ethiopian language) word for plane crash.
Spirit Airlines is thinking about selling parachutes after take off.
If two American planes had gone down, under the same circumstances, the 737 Max would have been grounded sooner and for a longer period of time.
Frederick Taylor would be appalled with Boeing and the FAA.
The Airbus Airplane has crashed too. I watched a episode about it Through National Geographic original Air Crash Investigation’s. It’s been a while but the issue affected two Air Bus Airplane’s I recollect.
Mark F was likely compensated very well for his work, especially minimizing simulator training. The executive committee and Board members should have been personally charged and fined for their lack of oversight.
Can somebody tell me how I can get hold of the Narrators face…..His voice should earn him an Emmy award
If a mass murderer gets caught, that person rightly gets sent to jail. If a corporation commits two (!) mass murders, they can walk free. If American prisons aren’t getting filled up with Boeing execs, test pilots and engineers who are responsible for this and knowingly pushed that plane onto the market, then the judicial, regulatory and political system must be seriously corrupt.
So the pilots were disparaged by a Boeing insider for “ignorance” and yet Boeing was trying to withhold from them details about the aircraft that they were to fly? Certain safety related “angle of attack sensors disagree” indicators were made optional rather than standard?
Well, will there finally be some criminal charges for these big and powerful companies?
The first step is admitting guilt…..Who knows how long it will take Boeing to do that??
A business solution to an engineering problem doesn’t end well. Boeing and Airbus should know that the reason we don’t fly commercial airplanes from Russia, China, and even Japan is a lack of transparency and check-and-balance, not airplanes.
When personal gains and profit are worth more then human life, what a shame to FAA and Boeing.
This documentary shows that once you’re on board and doors shut, your fate is sealed by Boeing’s gross negligence, greed and disregard as to human lives
this company needs to be sued for the maximum amount.they put a system that caused catastrophic accidents and blamed pilots. Avoid flying Boeing its about money for Boeing
Sounds eerily similar to the DuPont fiasco, doesn’t it? When liable for an avoidable tragedy first feign ignorance, then care, and finally, commitment. Once receiving your slap on the wrist due to your importance to industry (but not before everyone stops looking) resume the profit over all status quo. It might not be Boeing next time, but you bet it’ll be somebody. See you all again next time.
AOA redundancy was needed from the start. It was an option on 737 MAX.
As a student of journalism..these Investigative documentaries… Inspires me a lot to do more.. What I want to do in future…. I immense respect to those journalists at NY times.. For sewing out all these technical details bring out the facts and truth to us in simplest way
I have to say I’ve been watching for over a year on YouTube full documentaries and true stories on airline crashes and holy cow your planes are crashing constantly I will never fly again. After all these years you don’t have your crap together?
Sad, Boeing took shortcuts to save money, save time and outdo Airbus.
Boeing’s safety standards were being compromised for years now. “The Boeing 787 : Broken Dreams” was an investigative documentary by Al Jazeera from seven years back that detailed a lot of the safety compromises Boeing management was making . It’s available in full on YouTube.
When the 737 first started to fly there was a tendency on landing for the plane to drop to the right scaring many pilots nothing new with a Boeing As a matter of policy I wouldnt fly in a Boeing Aircraft for at least 5 years after introduction
These criminals working at boeing need to be charged and go to jail for murder
These guys couldn’t run a lemonade stand. Negligence causing deaths.
You can hang a dozen more AOA indicators on the fuselage, but if they aren’t callibrated correctly, you still crash.
As much as I enjoy frontline. The whole time Im thinking about ‘The Black White Supremacist’.
Let’s abolish all regulations and let corporations do as they see fit ….🤦🏻
~4:20, it wasn’t supposed to keep people safe… don’t blatantly lie please we’re not stupid. It was to save costs from type rating.
IIRC an US carrier had the mcas problem but was able to safety land the airplane….I honestly don’t remember if it was before or after simulator training and the software fix
BEAN counters have no business in leading a engineering company. They just don’t have the IQ required plain and simple. They need to stick to excel sheets and PowerPoint.
Hopefully these families got compensation for their losses..🙏
Boeing keen on profits, less keen on human life. A grave tragedy indeed.
So Boeing rushed its development of a plane that would compete Airbus Neo and these are the results folks.
With 2 AOA sensors, why would you use only one? This was designed to fail. With two sensors, you can disable the system when they don’t agree. By using the sensors alternately, you guaranty that a failure will be a problem. This system eliminated the benefits of a redundant AOA sensor. This is beyond stupid. It was intentional.
Runaway horizontal stabilizer trim-aren’t all pilots supposed to know(and how) to turn the electric to the system off and hand trim in case of that no matter what the cause? were confusing distractions going on in the cockpit because of the failed angle of attack input such as stall warning noises,stick shaking? Did the fear of stall cause the pilots to overspeed the airplane? Did that make the plane(s) impossible to hand trim? Were any indications available of the actual airspeed and can most pilots have some “seat of the pants” feel of airspeed if they have time in that type of aircraft?
Boeing, both the commercial and especially the military divisions, are astronomical disasters. From the top down in nearly every area-obviously the main one like engineering like we see here, communication between depts, organizationally, you name it. This company is an example what happens when you have friends in high places (Pentagon).
And at one point they said lion airline pilotes might have committed possible suicide. What a disgrace.
You can really see what kind of company Boeing is again with their Starliner space capsule. They took billions in American tax dollars and can’t even get it to launch. It’s now delayed indefinitely.
Wow brutally kill 300 people and just lose your job…. That’s America for you.
You know, the faa probably should have grounded the max, but flying is much much safer than driving…if a car was proven to cause many more deaths than normal, we do nothing about it. There isnt complete uniformity in the auto safety industry. I drive a vehicle that is 100x more dangerous to my life than flying…i dont upgrade to a safe suv that would only decrease that safety for me/family/friends to 50x. Im not evil for putting my family that drive with me in more harm. Its all perspective
This is what happens when the financial people gain control over a company, they focus only on what they care about: profit. Companies controlled by the engineers focus on product, less motivated by profits, resulting in far more innovative products than in the former setting. At some point the company run by the finance people, now used to making profits on an aging product line and desperate to continue the winning streak notice competition and need to renew their product line and they do it the way they best see fit: cheaply and quickly because this gives them the lowest operational costs and higher profits. The result is automatically a sub par product indicating the start of a long decline in the company that will never end until they are bought by another company.
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You can constantly feel the arrogance of the officials from Boeing.
This video looks like a crappy encoding of an interlaced source video.
Man WHY couldnt they habe put a simple cut off switch on the AOA sensor in the cockpit..
Undisclosed software was a factor in the crash of Scandinavian flight 751. Why manufactures think it is okay to include software that the pilot doesn’t know about or use, I am not sure. I feel it is partially a spillover of culture from Silicon Valley, that a user doesn’t need to know about the software that makes their toys work. NASA doesn’t send astronauts to space without them being familiar with every part of their craft, the same culture needs to exist in aerocraft.
Dennis Muilenburg ought to be in prison. CEOs clearly lack the ability to feel anything for others practically by what’s required to become one. If tragedies like this occur, the head of the operation should be penalized. They shouldn’t be able to just walk away after a public grilling, what a joke. We keep rewarding actions and decisions that put profit over people and this will continue to happen. Get rid of the CEO position in general or deal with what happens under their so-called leadership.
The issue it seems is millennials are spending to much time doing drugs and not enough time doing work.
The plane or birds depends on the strength of their wings to fly, but Boeing no we can use stabilizers to balance the pitch in balances and use this engine because its fuel efficiency, the engine looks too heavy and too big to hang on the wings of that plane
Classic “Regulatory Capture”. People “in developing counties” are fools for still buying Boeing aircraft” after such an insult
I REALLY HOPE that Forkner Scum is NO Longer Working in Aviation!!!!!!
That’s a little over a million dollars for each victim f*** that
It’s all about making the board happy. Bring the unions back into Boeing. The plan CEO sounds just like the devil. 737 Max I will never be getting on that plane. The new America where you can’t afford a new home as middle class .
If Boeing thinks other countries’ pilots can’t fly their fancy 737 max, perhaps stop trying to ask them to buy these? If it’s not Airbus, I’m taking the bus, indeed.
So it will be forever know as a Piece Of Garbage airplane, thanks for that news
Deregulation makes it easy to cut corners without considering the human death toll.
Just another crash under the rug. The past,current,and future of aviation policies will never change…trust me…just don’t be that “lucky” bastard when it happens again.
Glad that the Chinese grounded the 737 Max first, independent from the US.
The Boeing 737 MAX Lawn Dart, KC-46 Frankentanker, Starliner to Nowhere are fine examples of suits designing aircraft and spacecraft. Overpriced, overpromised, late, and exceeding design limits. Time to get the engineers back into Boeing leadership!
50:04…… Listen again to what the BOENG CEO said…. “They recommended simulator MCAS training for “undeveloped countries” but Americans did not need such training
Two 737 airplanes crash in exactly the same way just 5 months apart. FAA: Probably just a coincidence, keep’em flying. 3 days later: On second thought, maybe we better see whats going on…
The only way to make work place safer is to cut corporate leader salary for any accident; only then and then safety will be higher priority than profit
Boeing is so full of bull that they should switch to bull-semen farming
Boeing should be honest and admit the mistake on the engine of the 7** Max
Potentially many systems in an airplane or other vehicles , can kill you if it fails but the MCAS was not debugged thoroughly because the million dollar a plane for training deal , That’s what happens when a tech company decides to give control to the bin counters instead of the engineers.
manufacturing practices all over the world, operates this way…. where, what and how is the story here?????
I will never fly on a Boeing 737 max. My heart goes to the people who lost their lives on a 737 max.
Looking at Boeing stock price today (ticker BA) with all the ‘good news’ of new sales pumping up the price; I don’t think I can forgive Boeing for this. Executives should be held personally responsible. I mean JAIL TIME.
We can thank Sara Nelson President of the Association of Flight Attendant Union! A flight attendant got the greedy trump Administration and FAA to finally ground this plane that saved our people lives! I wish teachers and journalists were as bold and intelligent!
These companies just make me angry they killed these people they knew planes were going to crash they need to pay big time
1000yrs ago People were killed by Spears and in the modern century it’s Spears, guns, and even software joined the team of killers. What Next?. Lol
Another instance of corporate profits being more important than peoples lives….
Blame the pilots. No one at Boeing takes responsibility, they move on with THEIR lives. No one is held accountable. Sounds very much like a certain political party. 😡
let this be a lesson to all you tight wad corporations that put profit over people.
When booking a flight, check the planes model and make sure none are 737 max
A sad reality. Profits and arrogance costs lives. Concern for others is too often an after thought. Thank you Frontline. Boeing…”you can guess my” feelings.
Computer Science must be held to the same standards any other Engineering. Traditional Engineering training does not currently prepare those in the traditional engineering disciplines for dealing with Computer Science & Engineering Integration issues. There is also a certain laxness in Computer Science their current practices, in and of them selves, are not up to the level of traditional engineering rigor. Boeing is the example and the 737-MAX a call for change. Boeing should have developed the required Software practices in house! There needs to be a regulatory apparatus developed for the proper integration of Best Computer Science Practices for Engineering. Pure software must be distinguished from engineered software.
The fact that Boeing is still operating is proof enough. The system is broken and corrupt
We have so many more serious issues that need investigating and, with all due respect and concern to those that lost their precious lives here, we spend so much time and investment on Boeing. They need to be exposed without a doubt. But there’s so much more that is far more serious going on in America. Like the level of ineptitude and danger of the Biden administration
I resigned my position at Boeing Military Aircraft in 1989… in my letter of resignation to the president of the company at the time I stated that Airbus would be eating Boeings lunch if they kept up their good old boy management practices…. AirBus had 3% of the market at that time. The Boeing executives laughed in my face. It does not take a rocket scientist to see where a trend line goes. 6 years later, consulting for the US Dept of Energy at one of our nuclear weapons facilities (where the plutonium that went into Nagasaki was produced)…I observed a similar situation, with billions if not trillions of dollars in damages on the same glide path. See the movie ‘Silkwood’ for a dead accurate true story and accurate portrayal of this endemic degradation. Karen Silkwood was murdered on her way to testify about all that before the US Congress. I kept that in mind as I was called to testify. I had way more than a few ‘dead letter’ packages in place (about two inches thick including floppy discs) 1994/95. I told congress in my 2 hour deposition under oath, that when a nation forces its engineers to lie in order to keep their jobs and feed their families that it degrades the engineer, those around him, his family, the culture and nation. It ends badly. I had no clue about exactly how badly … now 25 years later Boeing is paying a limitless price and AirBus has in fact eaten their lunch…and the cowards are still lying. The 530 acre nuclear weapons site at Hanford Washington is now being torn down and remediated at an estimated cost of 1 trillion dollars, and 90 years to complete. . I was not involved when GE built the crappy reactors that went into Fukushima and are still poisoning the Pacific Ocean and will be doing that for the next 300 years… but a few of the 30 engineers who quit in protest at the time still are around. These have their integrity, on a scale of absolutes it is all one can hope for… without integrity there is nothing whatever worth while in life. What of the slime bags in management to saw to it that these 30 engineers were black listed and could not get a job anywhere? Mostly all passed away now. No longer laughing. If there is a hereafter, and ones character and vibe has anything to do with it… how do you think these end up? .. and what are your choices when morons and thugs are sent out to intimidate and threaten, or ruin your life? _____ . Integrity. It is absolutely, completely and utterly…. priceless, beyond words, priceless… in all aspects of life, and beyond life, and historically, and for ones children and their children… . and for the fish in the sea…. and the Antilope…and the blades of grass. . Priceless. Dedicated to Karen Silkwood and her father… Phil Scott
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“Boeing refused to be interviewed for this program”, well that tells us everything we need to know “Go Airbus Go!!!” 👏👏👏👏👏
Boeing was a great company till wall street screwed it up. What a shame.
When Mark Forkner is burning in hell I hope those people he helped kill are on his mind.
A race to the bottom with cheap offshore programming. You get what you pay for, $9 a hour programmers in India. Why wasn’t this covered is this story? Poor journalism.
They lost me as soon as they said “New York Times”. I believe very little of what that publication tells me. Too politically motivated.
this story is almost IDENTICAL to our opioid crisis right now….. drug makers said that Oxycontin wasn’t the problem, the individual user was the problem.
Capitalism is awesome but it also kills. Greed is good until it isn’t. The lesson for foreign airlines is to always buy European aircraft.
Capitalism gonna capitalism, I blame the FAA a lot in this, considering you’re the government fail safe. Ofcourse airplane companies shouldn’t dick around with flight safety for obvious reasons (hard to sell airplanes that only fly sometimes). What this whole mess is missing (and it sucks) is accountability. Someone who lost a loved one is not concerned with a CEO losing his job. Terrible situation all around. Great vid Frontline!
Anyone who wishes to comment here should first read at least a synopsis of the Indonesian accident report on Lion Air flight 610. The multiple failures by Lion Air in the maintenance & operation of this airplane are simply STUNNING. Obviously, a very low or non existent safety culture at this airline. As for the Ethiopian crash, after 2 1/2 yrs, they have never released a final accident report & have been very secretive about the maintenance & details regarding the crash of flight 302. What are they hiding?
Why is Frontline 2 years behind Aljazeera in making this documentary?
Cutting costs at the cost of human life is traditional American thing, don’t matter if it’s hamburger and fries cooked in transfats, Chinese dry wall, various FDA approved medical treatments or medicines, and all the way to slavery with free capital from stolen native lands. As we speak elected officials plot to further stagnate the need for liveable wages.
I would like to know who were the legislators that championed Delegation.
Nothing will happen to any of them because our leaders are on the take. Bread and circuses.
My friend Siraaji was killed in the Ethiopia 🇪🇹 crash. I find Boeing’s statements insulting. Am mad now.
From what I can remember this had something to do with a new feature but because they were trying to save money on training pilots weren’t aware of what was happening but I could be wrong
yea .. let the foxes guard the henhouse … what could possibly go wrong ? MCAS is not essential during take off so why is it even active at this point.
MORE Tragic loss of Life due to the Corporatocrisy’s Greed💔💔🇺🇸🇺🇸💔
The new Boeing CEO Comment about the Pilot comparison SHAME ON HIM!!!
The 737 Max made a lot of money….. for Boeing Executives by the way of bonus and stock options.
With Alarms , stick shakers, flashing lights, and audible warnings all going off at once, you have 10seconds to switch off a system you don’t even know exists because you are deliberately not told it exists, and then start cranking on a trim wheel, or you and your passengers die. The Ethiopian co pilot/1st officer got it right are but after 10 sec. I thought it was because no one at Boeing thought it through in the design process, but its worse than that, Boeing covered it up from the get go, and then with the FAA, let catastrophe happen TWICE. DISGUSTING And their B plan is “If they were American trained pilots it wouldn’t have happened.” CEO of Boeing
I hope I never have to fly again, to hell with it! I’m done. This is a disgrace, heads should role.
See how corporate American greed cost life of innocent people; stop blaming our young; talented pilots; may there soul rest in peace; along with all the victims we Ethiopians are proud of our airline. I can imagine how ignorant and racist the new CEO is when he implies that “the crushes wouldn’t happen if the pilots had been a American pilots”! The lesson is Never trust corporate America
Money over Mankind… look what this world has come to! 🙃
A Pilot riding in the “Jump Seat” of a Max witnessed this kind of malfunction. He told the pilot what to do and a third tragedy was averted. I’m surprised this was missed in FL documentary. It was widely reported at the time.
Follow the money. Always. Who benefits financially? Apply to politics, industry, information. Apply logic to current events, media propaganda mirrors corporate, mirrors political, think cv19. Question everything. Not allowed? That’s the place to dig.
If only American pilots could’ve handle the situation right, then Boeing should have not sold the plane all around the world. I found that many CEOs are only good at nonsense, and dumb excuses. Well I can be as dumb as they are, could I be a CEO to get paid as those ㅂㅅ?
It’s obvious. The pilots were not informed of any software changes/modifications with a failing system INTENTIONALLY so in the end..the very end..they can throw the pilots under the bus. Can we trust anything anymore??? Sheesh!!
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Unbelievable.. pray for every family connected to this blatant *
As a longtime many decades viewer of PBS Frontline, I was eagerly awaiting this broadcast. At the 52 min mark, when the signoff music started playing, I had to look around and see if this was just a Part 1, or if there was a 2nd hour of the episode. So many details and further revelations that many other documentaries and even independent youtubers have covered are missing. Sugar coated report. If I was the New York Times contributing reporters and just saw this for the first time, I would be livid as PBS Frontline failed to mention so many more details. Just one example, that I think all viewers probably are well aware of, is how they found Boeing internal communications about how workers joked about ‘clowns’ and ‘monkeys.’ So, sadly now, PBS Frontline, is much like FAA and Boeing, and does not want to harm its sponsors, er, viewers like you, it seems. I will no longer watch Frontline with the same respect I did when I used to do class reports based on Frontline investigations back in college. Corporate America has infiltrated public broadcasting. Maybe Trump was right. Federal funds need to be withdrawn, with or without Sesame Street.
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This is what happens when a company doesn’t give two rats a** about their customers.
This IS NOT Boeing’s problem but rather the airlines, themselves. Too cheap to get their pilots the proper training that Boeing readily provides to all it’s customers. Modern aircraft have very complex systems that if misunderstood, are useless and can be dangerous.
That Natalie chick is kinda sweet! Shame she works for NYT though.
If only we could see so justice, the people responsible at Boeing should go to prison for the rest of there life’s. This company should not be allowed to build airplanes anymore, clearly they can’t be trusted to do so safely. But in America money talks and bullshit walks. The corporations and supper wealthy almost never face justice for their atrocities. It’s disgustingly awful!
Boeing will pay US$2.5 billion to settle charge over 737 Max, Yep, So little for such a crime.
Boeing has no competitor in the United States and only one major competitor abroad. This level of monopoly makes it possible for Boeing executives to forego making better, safer planes and instead put money into manipulating its share price. In 2020, after nearly 800 orders were cancelled, Boeing simply slashed prices on its 737 Max in order to sell them to discount airline Ryanair. The mismanagement of Boeing, and the struggle of its employees to stem the decline, is not simply the story of one company gone terribly wrong. It is the story of incentives for all publicly held corporations in the United States gone horribly wrong. And it is also the story of many in lower levels of the hierarchy inside the firm putting their jobs on the line in a struggle to retain a focus on quality. In many years up until 2018, the corporation obtained the bulk of its “free cash” flow from operations, yet the falling blue line in Figure 2 indicates that Boeing only puts between 10% and 20% of its cash back into new equipment for production operations—known as “capital expenditures.” With roughly 60% coming from operations, and only 15% going back into operations, Boeing’s cash flow statements reveal a slow erosion of manufacturing capacity, as the company spends less and less on capital equipment of any kind.
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Boeing used to build safe airplanes first and profitable planes second. Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas who brought us the DC 10 crowdkiller, built by a company who only cared about profit and safety is not considered. After the merger, the CEO of McD became the CEO of Boeing and the McD business model became Boeing’s. Stonecipher ruined Boeing and turned Boeing into the profit first, safety last aviation whores they are today.
But yet Boeing is still allowed to manufacture, test and sell aircrafts. How do we know that this won’t happen again? Will they require airlines to notify customers if they are using this aircraft? I have lost faith in Boeing and I don’t think I will ever be able to trust this aircraft enough to get on it
I read an over 400 page book to pull this off military thriller based in Uganda Africa and Iran served time in an isolation cell 22 days saw momma on a televised call passed my phone account 40 dollars for a slice of bread and butter while cleaning out my cell we all laughed Aryan Brotherhood
I’ll never lose my love for Boeing. Ever. Just like I will never lose my love for Airbus or McDonnell Douglas. But Boeing dropped the ball BIG time.
US pilots are not better than foreign pilots. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of foreign pilots have to come to the US for their ground school and simulator training. They’re not approved until they pass their check ride in the SIM, route training and route check ride before they’re cleared to fly on the line with passengers outside a training footprint. I find it disgusting to see the new CEO of Boeing suggesting that foreign pilots are less capable than American pilots. That’s racism 101.
That’s a little over a million dollars for each victim f*** that
This, the result of bean counters, along with the McDonnel-Douglas merger (take over?)… …Boeing had a great record prior, with both military & commercial aircraft………..Also, the FAA didn’t / wasn’t doing its job, to protect the public, not BOEING. And, the $ saving (- union) move from Seattle to low wage S Carolina (?).
This is completely unacceptable. Being a Son of a retired Military pilot And a Commercial pilot as well. Who is to say even with all that experience If my Father could have saved lives if MCAS went haywire. I would love to say he could but why did Boeing / FAA take that risk to begin with ? For corporate greed ? To put so many people’s lives in jeopardy As well as my Fathers is unfathomable To me. But God will Judge you and your company . My Father deserved better. And so do all the families who lost loved ones . God bless all the lives lost. That settlement was crap. And what about the FAA ?
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I’m infuriated!!!!! Boeing management blamed the “inexperience” of the “foreign” pilots? Why? Because they were Ethiopian and Indonesian?! That statement by the Boeing CEO was callous and dare I say it “racist” at best! I cried with the Allied Pilots Association spokesman when he took over the flight simulation and realized that the young Ethiopian first officer got it right with the faulty MCAS system. Why didn’t the FAA act as the safety agency it is meant to be? Thank you NYT and Frontline for bringing the facts. Thank you Frontline for always brining thought-provoking documentaries that make us see the world for what it really is.
Boeing had the worlds trust! They make rockets 🚀 and fighters ✈️ they are global. The pride of American 🇺🇸 engineers was aviation world wide from Boeing. They threw it all away. What a waste. I feel deceived as as an aviation enthusiast. They lost the race against Airbus. Not all pilots are equal, but these accidents were 100% system failures not pilot error! They did Everything right and their plane, the computer was diving towards the ground to their deaths! Shame on boeing and its Not the ceo, its culture! A ceo is a face, culture is heart mind and body! Of course no jail time for anyone. Neglect and bankers and ceos dont get jail!
You always need to be able to hand fly the aircraft (manual control). If you can not override, the plane is thinking for itself, never a good thing.
watched the trailer and I actually want to watch this one, I usually watch your documentaries out of curiosity, boredom, or background sound
The music sounded like the FlightChannel. This has to be bad.🤦🏽♂️
How incompetent do you have to be to take 2 years to fix a problem?
FAA was very hesitant at first because Boeing is an American company. If it was an Airbus it would ban the plane immediately from flying.
NASA has made a lot of mistakes, but they would never let a design that would allow a function that could result in catastrophic failure depend on one sensor.
How does Mark Forkner sleep at night? Where his greed and stupidity cost the lives of so many?
Wow.. usd500 milion to all families of victims. How little value their lives are… Eff off Boeing
Boeing sucks, air bus is a superior company. Boeing has a long history of fuckery.
NATALIE KITOROEFF Girl ROCKS. If it were not for her, this report would have been WORTHLESS. Give her a managing editor position. RIGHT NOW. 💪🏆 Do it right now because if you don’t, I have a fleet of jets and helicopters and Rolls-Royce limousines that will take me directly to your New York offices and I will do it MYSELF.
Slovakian Parliamentary Rep Anton Hrnko for the Slovak Nationalist Party (SNS) lost his family (wife, daughter and son) on board of the Ethiopian Airlines flight. R.I.P. One funny thing to add even though there is nothing funny at all when there is a body toll of 300 in front of you would be the fact how the new Boeing CEO is laughing out on foreign pilots despite them being so invested in selling their plane to exactly those airlines in the developing world as was stated before! There is a baffeling thing to. They only paid 2,5 Billion USD for the criminal charge? 347 people are dead and 2,5 B is enough? Thats what they make with what – 10 planes? WTF? I thought the idea was to punish them!
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The computer replaced the human.. that’s where things went wrong
Boeing is made in America. None of these crashes happen in America. It appears Boeing used foreign airlines as an experiment to see if the planes where safe. But the bottom line as usual. Greed ruled! The love of money over lives. This is why America is no longer the greatest country we have lost our way and have no heart.
I was afraid that the US president wouldn’t ground these planes until x Americans were killed.
Amazing the company can survive after this TO BIG TO FAIL M murder C Chaos/Collision A Aviation S System Or M ass C asualty A viation S ystem I would have think some of these Boeing executives would need full time security after this
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still… with 2 planes crash…. no one get jail term…. money talks!
This is the type of event that always comes to mind when I argue with people about how important it is that we have adequate government oversight over giant corporations, that for enough profit don’t mind letting a lot of people be killed by their product. And why corporate lobbyist should be outlawed! This is a critical flaw of free reign capitalism and I think it is beyond disgusting.
Looking forward to this. Boeing really messed up on this one.
who is there? o fok it’s Mark Forkner calling pilots who want training stupid idiots.
Per usual, all these lezies out here in force. Did Boeing have something to do with the wrongful deaths, absolutely. Is it the blame of African Airlines for not training their pilots, just as much. It is okay to blame more then one organization. Their airliners did not insure their pilots in all regions of the world were capable of handling the place, so sad.
Fark. Why two sensors were never used from the beginning. Redundancy anyone?
They screwed a lot of business in their wake🤔; I hope they fail miserably in their every endeavor👍🏻
It’s Boeing part of Militar Industrial Complex, they can NOT do wrong, in bed with FAA who is own by Boeing disgusting, this is just a tip of the iceberg what Militar Industrial Complex is capable, pure Cartel mentality.
Foreign pilots are not qualified to fly Boeing airplanes. I guess their airlines need to buy Airbus planes or the new Chinese C919 planes.
Richard Feynman would have found these guys out like he did with NASA.
“Reporters at the New York Times”? Better put someone else on the case.
The lack of simulator training was the whole problem. The dirty little secret is Boeing’s customers like Southwest communicated to Boeing that they did not want to pay for this kind of expensive training. Seconds after take off, while the pilots are still climbing for altitude, the dashboard explodes with all kinds of alarms and the stick begins to shake. Speed and other readings suddenly make no sense and the pilots have about 8 seconds to figure out the problem and take the appropriate actions. After 8 seconds, they will lose control of the aircraft because the aerodynamic forces will become too great for them to regain control of the plane (particularly with no electrical mechanism to control the trim because they hit the stab trim cut out switches ). The plane will be too close to the ground to reduce speed and everyone will be doomed. The simulator training exists to avoid that very scenario.
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ISMH on Flight 303, it was a Maintenace issue with the mechanic overseas who did not reset the AOA for that flight to take off anyway. The AOA was not reset! so why are they getting mad at Boeing? So go back and check on 303! ;-(
As always, top of the line reporting! I love frontline! Wow thats something I never thought Id say but there it is!
From the start, the humming of the background music is in my soul and I’m frenetically ecstatic… Ah Frontline, you’ve got a hold of me…AGAIN
can’t believe these planes are flying in my country right now wtf
This is what happens when you let an industry “self regulate”. Its why i never could be a libertarian.
The undisclosed/unknown MCAS system was supposed “to save the plane when IT believed that the plane might go into a stall and fall out of the sky.” Just how often does this scenario regularly occur (plane may stall) during takeoff or level flight cruise? I cannot believe that Boeing did not disclose MCAS to pilots AND provide a way for them to turn MCAS off if it became necessary to do so.
Frontline documentaries are one of the best of its kind… Always waiting for the upcoming documentaries… Excellent style of making a documentary in such a way…
who needs terrorists to fly into buildings when you have Boeing. If its Boeing, I’m not going. MCAS. Might Crash After Skyborne.
Very refreshing and insightful. Being a pilot is a tough job. And it helps when your boss stands by you and honors truth. Even if it costs more than an arm and a leg.
Waiting on a frontline doc on the covid vaccine in a year or two
I’m gonna get a fleet of ’74 Ford Pintos and start a cab company…
Good, good reporting. I am impressed Frontline, you do have a reasonable, less progressive side.
Great ezposé and we need real journalism back.. Can’t wait for your investigation into bigPharma and its influence on the news and vaccines..
So what’s your actually saying is you gave a airplane artificial intelligence, anybody seen the Terminator
-The cockpit in all 737’s is so small and narrow, only a midget can get into a pilot’s seat with ease. Exposed wiring throughout the wheel well areas is alarmingly open to spinning wheels and weather. You don’t see this in Airbus aircraft.
Frontline is the last and best documentary that produces the truth from the never ending lies of government and corporations 👍👍
Pretty decent 1-hour documentary from Frontline. I’m always left a little disappointed with the shorter ones, but I understand that it’s better to be succinct than to stretch something for the sole purpose of stretching it. I’m just too used to the 2+ hour series I guess haha. The longer the better in my book. Thanks for making this! good work
After one year of service, the 737 Max logged over 41,000 flights. Number of crashes 2?
After the two crashes when i flew if the plane was a Boeing 737 Max I refused to fly on it.
So metaphorical history of max safety systems in a nutshell… Car designed with left tires larger than right ones and when accelerating can pull car into oncoming traffic. Engineers ponder and create a sensor that is known to not work that great that will sense if car is pulling left and will instead pull right to offset. Cars are released to public and reports come in of cars crashing into trees on right side of road. Investigation happens and it is discovered that crashes are due to crappy sensor. Car company goes back and adds a second crappy sensor, if both work then it pulls right once, and if one of them isnt working a voice pops up and says “hey man be real real careful, dont sue me bro” Thanks Boeing for “fixing” the issue
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Boeing is an American giant. That has contributed significantly to the America we love today military and financially over the years It’s means a lot to America’$ history an might… Hence they will get a pass with 300+ life. Can’t we see they are part of the government.
From what I’ve heard, Boing added a “feature”, and didn’t really tell the airlines (I assume it was in the “owner’s manual” for those who might bother to RTFM – I’m SO sure! Like ANY airline does due diligence on their engineering!). So the airlines didn’t train the pilots. And eventually it caught up with them. FRONTLINE may shed some new light on this debacle.
I watched as much of this as I could stand. Yes, there is a profits over people issue. But, is Boeing going to manufacture anything for free? No. If the government purchased Boeing and manufactured planes, would those planes be for free? No. The taxpayer would be paying for them. Would they be as good? No. In 2020, Airbus was involved in $22 billion of illegal subsidies and Airbus gets billions more from EU countries. When you add tariffs, Boeing can not compete on a level playing field. When US airlines start buying more fuel efficient airplanes from Airbus, Boeing made some very difficult decisions to stay in business. If they went out of business, Boeing employs 141,000 people. GE employs 171,000 people not only that but about 10% of your retirement funds and pensions are invested in those two companies. The 737 MAX offers the greatest flexibility, reliability and efficiency in the single-aisle market. Keeping Boeing a live and well is important to the US economy. I guess the “real” economics were not obvious to Frontline, the New York Times and Natalie Kitroeff. They omitted the real problem wasn’t greed but global competition. The New York Times is in the business of staying in business, muckraking. That’s how they make their money. Jim McNerney, Boeing’s CEO at the time until 2015 was Boeing’s first non-aviation CEO. All the upgrades were designed, tested and worked perfectly except one. I don’t think the Times or Frontline has a clue of how complicated it is to design a modern aircraft or redesign an older one. I think most of the engineers at Boeing that were interviewed worked on one system and I doubt they had overall responsibility. Looking at the MAX, the engines are too low to the ground. It would be real easy to suck up some debris from the runway and ruin a lot of people’s day. People died and Boeing took some heat and Karen, I mean Natalie, got on TV but in “real” life it is about the guy on the assembly line with a mortgage, bills and kids in college. He or she is wondering whether they are going to have a job tomorrow. Mistakes happen.
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I’m not sure why PBS showed pics of Columbia, MO / Mizzou for the Boeing STL segment. That made zero sense editors…
wow, dollars to deaths, I guess this shows just how much power the pharmaceutical companies responsible for the opioid epidemic possess when it comes to being fined
Too be fair Airbus had also problems with Planes their Software (crashes and near crashes)
Someone needs to create an app that identifies 747 max in flights for the passengers safety. I don’t trust Boeing’s assurances that mcas is fixed
Astounding. You put oversized engines on an aircraft, causing an imbalance, and rather than engineer a solution to the problem, you have software try to “correct” for your faulty design. And then when planes start falling out of the sky you blame dead pilots. Maybe the FAA would have gotten the message if one of these planes had gone down on Amerifan soil.
Apparently 78 viewers think exposing Boeing’s corruption that led to hundreds of deaths is best kept a secret and prefer to play Russian roulette when they fly on a passenger jet.
its entirely possible that those planes were simply racist imo
“One of the most important companies in America if not the world!”….Easy Daisy! I wouldn’t go that far!! Spacex, apple, Google, Tesla, maybe, Boeing…meh!! The reality is the aviation industry is still, like the legacy auto industry, designing everything completely wrong and in an archaic manner! Firstly, the software is blatantly rubbish, beyond that, the planes are physically flawed. Overly complicated and yet far to simple in many regards. Won’t be surprised at all if the likes of Boeing don’t exist in the next 10 years. Heart goes out to the families nonetheless. They deserved far better than this embodiment of corporate greed and lack of morality.
The Max is a safe plane. This is a story of third world airlines shifting the blame from their extremely poor pilot training and the media eating it up. Remember, stabilizer trim runaway is a memory item for pilots and that is the only procedure that needed to be done to stop these accidents from happening. Neither of the crews knew their memory items.
We will NEVER trust Boeing again! We will NEVER set foot on any Boeing aircraft ever again. And neither should any other person in the world with a sound mind.
all these journalists.. << THAT ARE NOT ENGINEERS>>>> and could never be
Most likely the software came from China. Nowadays most US manufacturers, don’t care about made in USA anymore. It’s all about saving money, the CEOs should be held accountable.
I’m a little surprised. Unless I’m mistaken, a couple of the people speaking early in this are a bit off on the details. For example, NYT reporter states it was the bad design of MCAS, the software. But that wasn’t it, really. It was the design of the upgraded airplane with the pushed forward larger engines. He does speak about that a little later though.
Could be that 3rd world people (including pilots) are so in awe of first world technology that they think it is fail safe – never requiring Homan intervention. First world pilots, who’ve grown up immersed in technology know better – yo never place all your faith on tech. Nevertheless, MCAS’s flaws should have been made known to pilots and planes grounded at some point sooner.
I’m sure glad we had these New York Times reporters able to figure out this complex problem.
Frontline has ‘delegated’ the reporting to the NYT and I’m not sure why I’m watching NYT reporters explain technical problems that are clearly over their heads. There weren’t even animations of crucial details of what caused the crashes.
I am looking forward to Frontline doing a documentary on the failure of the withdraw from Afghanistan, but we will never see a negative documentary from Frontline on a Democrat President…
Given enough time Frontline will find a way to blame trump
Jack Nicas, Natalie Kitroeff, David Gelle, while not being engineers, designers, machinists. They don’t create anything, fix anything, or lead others to solve problems. With shiny teeth and pretty faces saying “We have a problem”, We did it this way”, “This is what WE did”. REALLY don’t like the way this documentary allows people who weren’t even part of the organization that fixed the problems to misrepresent themselves as experts
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