Justice versus Conscience

Heartbreaking for the victims, hopefully they will all get compensated. However the people responsible for such misconduct & negligence need to be held accountable for everyone’s sake. Can we really tolerate this and let them get way with it? Such a massive injustice has been done here and needs to be rectified!

this is disgusting to hear how these people suffered while the culprit has never been held accountable in anyway!

The people behind the IT system should be charged for negligence and potential fraud (if they knowingly covered it up). This is absolutely appalling.

News reports say this could end up costing the taxpayers £350 million, let’s make sure some of those very wealthy people who profited from this scandal, pay towards this compensation too!!

This is absolutely disgusting to hear. This is a huge miscarriage of justice. These people, all these people, should be compensated fully.

Big shout out to Private Eye, who constantly carried this story and backed the Post Office sub-postmasters.

I must’ve been living under a rock as this is the first I’ve heard of this. Unbelievable scandal, those poor peoples lives ruined regardless of the outcome

My folks used to own and run a post office, consistently post office management would give them a hard time over so called “accounting errors”. They had to pay out of their own pockets. The Horizon system was never fit for purpose, it constantly suffered “IT failures”, it was riddled with problems and post office management dammed well knew of those problems and did nothing except to tarnish the reputation of decent honest hardworking Postmasters and Postmistresses. Absolutely disgusting behaviour and they hid behind a flawed accounting system to justify their heinous actions.

What did people expect? Once a nationalised company is sold to capitalists, fuckery always follows.

Still, no one from the Fijitsu operating system or the Post Office management team who ran the system has been held to account, please email your M.P. to request that this be pursued.

Wow this lack of accountability is disgusting! It saddens me but I feel there’s been is a cover up at the highest level that would expose and implicate government leaders their family and friends. I could of course be wrong… Feel so sorry for these hard working people who have been unjustly made to pay with their liberty, livelihood and reputation for crimes against them! Ashamed to be British….

As a programmer I just can see no excuse for this mistake. In some cases we and the customers have to make judgement calls what is preferable, what is worth the effort, etc. Transactional Consistency in Databases is not one of them. It is a absolute requirement. Without it, there is no Database. They can pretty much throw away 100 % of the Data gathered before this was patched because not a single bit of it is trustworthy.

No computer software, no matter how advanced is 100% trustworthy! The Post Office and the third party firms responsible MUST repair the damage done to those post masters / mistresses.

Since i found out about it about two years ago, i have never used any service provided by post office. If everyone unless it is an exceptional circumstances would have none this, justice for this group of people would have been partially surved. The other part of justice they should recover from the state. As their life time and career opportunity was stolen from them.

They all need to have their names cleared, salary back paid from when they were wrongly fired to the day they win the case as well as compensation for the suffering this whole ordeal has caused. In addition, ongoing mental support paid for by the post office.

Another inquiry, another sorry, but nothing will change. The laws, the rules, the jail systems are for the ordinary. When the govt commit crimes, there are no penalities.

Nothing can fully compensate them for what they’ve been put through. Please, at least start by doing the right thing and expediting the financial compensation as quickly as possible – it’s the least they deserve.

put the chief executive & the board of directors who over saw this disaster in JAIL & take their pensions & homes! Use that to compensate the VICTIMS

Just learnt about this. This is ABSOLUTELY APPALLING AND OUTRAGEOUS. My blood started to boil when I also heard that the lawyers took £48 million from the reward of £56 million as the settlement of the lawsuit, leaving only £20,000 to each victim!!!! There needs to be a LIST of NAMES of everyone involved – the CEOs, Middle managers, decision makers, bureaucrats and HEADS NEED TO ROLL !!! Someone needs to go to prison! The culprits should have their assets SEIZED just like the Russian Oligarchs and given in conpensation to the victims!!!!

I used to support these Horizon systems about 20 years ago. I worked for Fijitsu and helped the post masters balance their books on a Wednesday.

Absolutely disgraceful and disgusting and those in charge need to be brought to book as they knew there was something going on. It was brought to their attention i believe and yet they continued to prosecute people. These peoples lives have been ruined.

A Post Office was for sale years ago, and I was so close to purchase, but the deal fell through, THANK GOD!

Whoever was the CEO of the post office at the time should be sued personally & so should Fujitsu who were the providers of the IT system & massive compensations should be awarded & awarded to the families that have lost loved ones in this despicable saga.

Disgusting they know what happened to those who worked hard as branches got robbed by the same gangsters using software development engineer companies associatied.

Anyone involved in the stitch up needs to be jailed for a very long time. Ten years doing porridge for each person that was wrongly convicted.

Thousands of people who have stolen money in retail have got away for it. But all because its ‘Post Office’ money got they records and convictions. I for a short time ran 4 post offices across England and the system is and still is a nightmare. Everyone who uses it says its horrific and people work in fear. Post Masters don’t get paid enough for the responsibility that is beneath them. I have literally seen people break down to nothing when the system goes wrong for no reason. I really feel for the people involved

It’s always the same the CEO’s and politicians get to do what they want and everyone else has to suffer – of course management knew, they didnt care!

Shocking behaviour. Should be compensated without any bloody enquiry.

The P.O. will pay millions for the best lawyers. The P.O. is owned and run by the government. Who in the government will answer for the disgusting treatment of these people, and, most important of all, how much compensation will each receive, I suspect not a lot. They should each be awarded millions for the destruction of their lives.

Sounds like a horrific scandal!!

Horizon was the basket into the Post Office had placed all its eggs. Since it could not be seen to be failing, bosses found it convenient to make-believe that postmasters were stealing the money. Ironically, had they had faced the truth back then, the fallout would have been paltry compared to what it is now. Its a lesson we all need to learn from.

While admitting to not seeing the full picture here I cannot help feeling that the practice common in many businesses of taking out some kind of insurance against such losses would have been a better choice for the Post office. it would then have been left to the insurance company maybe to recommend on whether to seek redress. or would some kind of indemnity bond which the sub-postmasters contracting could have been required to take out have avoided all this unpleasantness? perhaps someone more experienced could comment?

How about criminal prosecutions … for those responsible???? Where’s the justice??

“No one held accountable.” And yet it was easy enough to make hundreds of innocent Mrs Gogginses “accountable”. But that’s the thing isn’t it? Prison’s just for the little people!

This needs to be stamped out.

I bet the Queens Silver Greyhounds don’t get any hassle, grief or public humiliation!

Another case of Lessons need to learned again.

It was the “Royal’ mail back then. The royals would have said yes to prosecuting all of these innocent community loving folks.

Sir, does your IT system contain any restricted items?

Shame on those in the Jury who wrongfully convicted these innocent people.

Let’s not water down the facts here. This was not an unfortunate mistake. Several hundred innocent postmasters and post ladies were deliberately accused by the Post Office. Their lives were not only totally ruined but in some cases they were sent to jail. The Post Office higher management were well aware that their computer system was faulty and deliberately suppressed the report on it rather than admitting to it. All those who knew this and were involved truly deserve to go to jail for a very long time.

Just look at that pain and tears of that Indian man. From that reaction we can see he was treated much worse, presumably because he is coloured. This is how British Indians are treated, but we suffer in silence, fearing the white man’s wrath. His generation did, anyway. His pain and tears are very real.

About time too!. This is such a miscarriage of justice. Some people committed suicide over this. It’s an absolute disgrace. My heart goes out to all these people and the Post Office should be made accountable and brought to justice then sent to prison too.

The directors of the post office at the time need to spend time behind bars, and not a post office counter!

Heartbreaking i agree, why cant i open up a post office though? i have tried and i dont get any support or funds cause am british? maybe make a report on that

I’m never sending a letter ever again

I think the same thing has happened with ANZ and kiwibank..I want recompensation..

Can we do an enquiry into why this enquiry took so lol even just to start?! Not shocked tho.

Sue them to the moon

Biggest Corporate scandal and mis-carry of justice in history. My thoughts and feelings go-out to the innocent PO workers and their families who were labelled as thieves and maliciously prosecuted and sent to prison even though PO bosses knew all the time the IT system was at fault. Sheer evil. Strange how some of the PO staff were quickly visited by the police when thousands disappeared from their PO system (not really as the system was f***ed) arrested etc. So why have the bosses like Paula Vennells (an ordained Church of England minster!!) and Chairman Tim Parker, and many others, not been arrested, questioned, etc. Or does the law not apply to the rich and powerful? And I wonder if they will be allowed to hold on to the millions they took out of the PO? Or will the tax payer have to foot the bill?

Read Nick Wallis The great post office scandal , heartbreaking stories about how postmasters were bullied by post office investigation department

these sub postmasters were wrongly convicted, and some jailed, for stealing from their post office branches when they were entirely innocent. the ‘missing’ money, which wasn’t missing at all was due to the faulty Horizon computing sysytem that was installed by the post office. there was at least one suicide caused by the distress. senior managers at the post office knew there was a fault with the system and told others not to tell anyone else. people lost their homes, their livelihoods and their reputations. yet no one from the post office has actually been brought to book for this travesty. there is an investigation underway into the dealing of the post office which will, hopefully lead to the prosecution and jailing of those managers who deliberately hid the fact that the computing system was at fault. managers deliberately lied and hid evidence to protect the reputation of themselves and the post office. this is a scandal of epic proportions and those responsible must be brought to book.

We had to pay a lot of money also for their mistakes

Oh noooooo. Make it right! Fix it now!

This bullshit absolutely needs addressing and in the most severe way. Post Office and Fujitsu bosses need custodial sentences. As do Police who investigated these people. Why did the penny not drop as to why so many were being accused? Surely a simpleton could see this was highly unusual….

about time …. this is one of the biggest scandals in history

Heads should roll for what was done to these innocent people ! Our establishment is a disgusting cesspit !

Can someone tell me who is paying these victims back?

There is a great BBC radio series about this outrage called The Great Post Office Trial. It’s well worth a listen

Aint ya all go In snitch mode ?!! I THINK SOOO MUCH I DO !!!

That’s messed up. Such unnecessary hell.

Was Prof Niel Ferguson responsible for programming the IT system?

How much did the system cost is there no comeback on that? and strange how justice works at a different pace for different people.

The post office should never have been sold to private limited… This saga has lost the trust of hardworking postmasters/mistress..

Boy, heads need to roll over this.

Execute whoever is responsible. I’m sick of people getting away with stuff. Bring back the death penalty!’

Paula Vennells needs to go to prison.

That’s so sad

Boris fix this, these folks have suffered enough already, give them their money back & squash the criminal records

What a joke. an investigation? the facts are well known and proven. So much for justice. – –

Bs throw them in jail. Theye obviosley recognised the fault in the system and used it to their advantage instead of reporting it. Take mone from hm its going to effect every one. The fact their sat in defence in a tuxedo and nice suits says it all.

The elite protecting the elite. Typical!

So today I had issue with Royal Mail delivery I have paid the price to send the parcel and the person who received had to pay again

How am I just hearing of this?…

If it’s anything like the Public School Rape enquiry, it’ll end up with the victims being blamed and left to suffer, while pious platitudes mask a complete lack of effective action.

It is about time . This inquiry is long overdue. So sad that all this people suffeerd Justice must be served

The PO has Ben incompetent and vindictive?

Those poor people. It is truly disgusting that no one is willing to admit culpability. All that I can offer is my heartfelt good wishes to all the innocent who were grievously impacted by this horrific Kafkaesque treatment. As for the two perpetrators, may all involved in the cover up get totally fucked over and have their respective lives destroyed.

Let’s be honest – some IT people are really rubbish at what they do.

In the us, each would have got at least a million

Compensation now. Millions!!!!!!

Fujitsu must be held accountable for this scandal in which they ruined innocent people’s lives. Also Paula Vennells should be stripped of her CBE.

I sincerely hope that computer programming cowboy outfit is out of business.

Terrible, …victims need compensation for loss of earnings and suffering created by this. Millions each!! PAY UP NOT SO ROYAL MAIL!!!!

Always about compensation

The real crooks are not being prosecuted!!

These people should be tottaly compensation

So much for big government lol

COMPENSATION — £££££££££££££££££££££££££££

Why are they sending people to prison for none violent crimes in the first place?!!!

Who made money out of this ?

Post office used to open my mothers letters and steal the money which family members would send via post

Disgusting. These poor innocent people have lost their livelyhoods , homes , reputations and relationships over this criminal scandal. Its about time that they had an apology and some compensation for their losses .

How many years..and from the news That I see over the period of over twenty years I thought it only involves Asian Know that they are found innocent. None Asian are being featured more. In the news . where were they all these years.

Pay them the compensation they rightly deserve.

Rest assured no one at the top of the food chain will take the fall.

Computer says no

did all this happen after privatisation? hmmmm

NOT A BUG IN THE SYSTEM, BUT A SLUSH FUND ….6, 5&6 SAVVY

Those hiding behind the mask of Royal Mail, should be rooted out, named, shamed, and prosecuted! To think this happened in this country, makes me ashamed!

Thats the Cost of stamps going up

Post Office own up and pay these poor people….

But but but….computers make everything better

Why are these people not suing Horizon and the Post Office back to the stone age?

Boris partied with your money…….now shut up.

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